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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:28 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I'm sorry, I am just leary of people who make more money teaching someone how to do something rather than actually doing it.
Call me crusty. It's OK.
"Those who can... do. Those who can't... teach."
...and another variation I've come up with....
"Those who can... do. Those who can't... sell."
Guess I'm going with the "god given" option. _________________ www.ColinCampbellVoice.com
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Steve Cotsalas Talent and/or Voice Producer
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:37 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Colin Campbell wrote: | I'm sorry, I am just leary of people who make more money teaching someone how to do something rather than actually doing it.
Call me crusty. It's OK.
"Those who can... do. Those who can't... teach."
...and another variation I've come up with....
"Those who can... do. Those who can't... sell."
Guess I'm going with the "god given" option. |
I hear ya!
I'm the same way. IMHO...everybody's full of stuff until they can produce the goods.
Occassionally, though, you run into people who can do both..teach & do.
God Given only get's you so far in anything..pro athletes know that better than anyone.Even Tiger has a coach.The trick is not to get raped while you pay to learn. |
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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:41 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Well... it's just me. My opinion. I've been around too many people in my life telling me how to do something when they themselves can't do it.
In the radio industry, the one's that can't make it as talent become program directors, sales people and managers.
I'm a synical old cuss. _________________ www.ColinCampbellVoice.com
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Elisabeth Hart Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:43 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Colin Campbell wrote: | Well... it's just me. My opinion. I've been around too many people in my life telling me how to do something when they themselves can't do it.
In the radio industry, the one's that can't make it as talent become program directors, sales people and managers.
I'm a synical old cuss. |
What if the Program Director is also the Afternoon Drive guy?
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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:47 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Elisabeth Hart wrote: | | Colin Campbell wrote: | Well... it's just me. My opinion. I've been around too many people in my life telling me how to do something when they themselves can't do it.
In the radio industry, the one's that can't make it as talent become program directors, sales people and managers.
I'm a synical old cuss. |
What if the Program Director is also the Afternoon Drive guy?
E. |
Since he's the boss, he can schedule himself. Doesn't make him good. _________________ www.ColinCampbellVoice.com
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Elisabeth Hart Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:54 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Colin Campbell wrote: | | Elisabeth Hart wrote: | | Colin Campbell wrote: | Well... it's just me. My opinion. I've been around too many people in my life telling me how to do something when they themselves can't do it.
In the radio industry, the one's that can't make it as talent become program directors, sales people and managers.
I'm a synical old cuss. |
What if the Program Director is also the Afternoon Drive guy?
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Since he's the boss, he can schedule himself. Doesn't make him good. |
He was already Afternoon Drive guy before he got promoted to Program Director though. Does that make a difference at all?  |
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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:57 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Well.... I guess there are exceptions. Depends if he propels himself to a bigger market or "settles in." _________________ www.ColinCampbellVoice.com
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Elisabeth Hart Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 16:58 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Colin Campbell wrote: | | Well.... I guess there are exceptions. Depends if he propels himself to a bigger market or "settles in." |
I'll keep you posted
Just trying to find an exception to the rule  |
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John Bigl Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 17:12 (GMT) Post subject: |
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"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." What a stupid phrase. Many of those who can, can't teach; most of those who teach, can also do, and, if you think about it, to teach is to do, albeit doing of a different sort than what many of those who can do, do.
god given/natural?? developed? i pick both ...
Blessed Be _________________ "the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except those that sang best." |
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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 17:32 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Before eveyone thinks me an old fool.... I just say "philsophical differences." My father and life experience taught me that there are some who do things and others that talk about doing things.
Now... my father was not a success in life financially and so far neither am I, so I accept that there are discenting opinions that lead some to wealth.
It's just an opinion.
One of my favorite quotes.... "lawyers replace facts with words and then argue about the words." I forget who said it. It was someone who had his invention stolen.
I'll try now to come down off of my podium before I make too many enemies. _________________ www.ColinCampbellVoice.com
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Joe J Thomas Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007, 17:56 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| John Bigl wrote: | "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." What a stupid phrase. Many of those who can, can't teach; most of those who teach, can also do, and, if you think about it, to teach is to do, albeit doing of a different sort than what many of those who can do, do.
god given/natural?? developed? i pick both ...
Blessed Be |
I gotta go with both as well... kindof.
(the jury's still out on "god" given for me )
But I do believe you're born with an ability or tendency, and the training hones it. If you don't have the talent, then getting training is like putting a fine polish on a turd (isn't that a Sid phrase?)
How about this instead:
Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Those who can't teach run for office.
Auditioning for two dogs and a map,
Joe J Thomas
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Ronald T Robinson Talent and/or Voice Producer

Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 1008
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007, 16:38 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Most of us are, relatively, "sloppy speakers" in social contexts.
The studio environment, however, requires perfect diction - depending on most contexts.
And that requires much, much practice. This, because, perfect diction of a presenter is something that is not to be in the awareness of a listener.
Fortunately, this factor is something that can be practiced at home with inexpensive equipment.
Continuous practice and diligence are the keys.
Same goes for tonalities.
Radio-people have the benefit of doing the work.... every day. But even they have to be wary of their own deliveries as these skills are not those which are acquired without regular corrections. |
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Colin Campbell Talent and/or Voice Producer - Voice Seeker Moderator

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007, 16:41 (GMT) Post subject: |
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For me, if I am any good at all it comes from years of trying to emulate great orators.
I don't think Winston Churchill had a voice coach. _________________ www.ColinCampbellVoice.com
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September Day Leach Talent and/or Voice Producer

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007, 17:27 (GMT) Post subject: |
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lol Colin!
well, he didn't have a voice coach, but he had an English accent.  |
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