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Deby Cedars
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 02:49 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

David... I find it really interesting that they are using the term "massage robots" I think they mean massage chairs. I sat for 30 min in a $3,000 dollar chair at the mall in Trumble. I was horrified that at one point the rollers massaged my shoulders really well but did not support my neck at all. If it had supported my neck I might have been tempted to get out my Visa card. The fact is though I would rather have a person massage me....not a robot. I know you didn't write the script, but if they want to use massage to get people in the store they should hire people not robots.

I used to go to that mall to get massages from a person. $10 min $12. You would sit in a special chair and it was affordable, but the best way to get a massage is to lay on soft birch wood sheets while you hear the most relaxing music, smell the soft scent of lavendar, and feel strong but gentle hands melt away your problems. It cost money.....BUT IT'S WORTH IT!
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Colin Campbell
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 03:21 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

My latest attempt at "natural..." This is the STD testing website from today.


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Lee Gordon
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 05:00 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

David Bosco wrote:

Your South Dakota Lottery; Very inventive on that one! You should get a 5 just for lettin' it all hang out!


I'd be happy if either of my SD Lottery demos even gets opened. So far, they have not.

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Sharper Image; Maybe yours was not friendly enough in my opinion, but I missed my chance at it and you got to submit, so your chances are infinitley better than mine.


I think you're right. My Sharper Image wasn't friendly enough. Apparently, the client agrees. I see that the average rating is a 5, whereas mine has been opened but not rated. That's never a good sign. If they're handing out ratings but not to everybody, I have to believe being not rated equals being not considered.

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Brando Marlin; What? Another fauna part for Lee? Reminds me of your excellent porcupine a couple of months back. How did that turn out BTW?


Ah yes, the "'Pine." Sad to say that was another demo that never got opened. Despite the fact that the job didn't pay very much, I was still annoyed that I never had a chance.

Fortunately, Brando Marlin has fared a bit better. I have already heard from the seeker on that one. He said he liked it but asked if I could sharpen my pencil a bit on my bid, which was on the high end of the range. I agreed to a slight reduction, which is still more than the 'Pine would have paid. Now I just have to wait and see if I make the final cut.

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David Bosco
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 05:20 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deby:

I'm sure they mean massage chairs, or perhaps it's some kind of robotic device that is applied to the back. But either way, 'robots' sounds more exotic and facinating than 'chairs'. Kids listening will say "Hey Dad! Let's go see the robots!" Well written and conceived.

Lee:

My Sharper Image did not get a rating either. Maybe it's their way of being kind, by giving no rating at all rather than a 'less than 5' as a 'no rating' doesn't hurt your average.....I guess.....
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David Bosco
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 05:26 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee:

Whoops! I forgot I didn't submit for the Sharper Image. Embarassed That's a sure way to get no rating!
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Robert Jadah
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 05:26 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee Gordon wrote:
said he liked it but asked if I could sharpen my pencil a bit on my bid, which was on the high end of the range. I agreed to a slight reduction, which is still more than the 'Pine would have paid.


Did you get rated before the contact, Lee? I ask because I'm becoming more and more concerned that the Seeker takes the quote into account.
They may hear a '4' with what (to them) is a '1' price quote, and saddle the read with a '2'.
Not that I think it's ever happened to me, mind.

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Deby Cedars
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 06:43 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think when I ask for more money they are more likely not to rate me at all. It's like ....ahh she's out of our price bracket let's just move on to the next read.

I can't complain though. I'm in the 92% bracket! I love your new avatar by the way. I thought you were someone new for a while.....It suits your voice. It will help people remember your name....it's interesting and delightfully familiar. Very Happy
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Lee Gordon
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 10:39 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Jadah wrote:

Did you get rated before the contact, Lee? I ask because I'm becoming more and more concerned that the Seeker takes the quote into account.
They may hear a '4' with what (to them) is a '1' price quote, and saddle the read with a '2'.


No ratings involved. This was a lead from Voices-dot-com, where it's anybody's guess whether your demo ever got listened to, much less whether they liked it.

Also, over there the pricing is presented in ranges (i.e. $100-250 or $250-500). I generally assume that the seeker intends to pay as close as possible to the low end of the range but I price the job based upon what I think it's worth. On the one and only job I have gotten from Voices, my bit was at the top of the range and, to my surprise, the seeker agreed to it.
In this case, I bid pretty near the upper end and the budget was closer to the middle.

I have also decided not to get too freaked out about ratings. I think they can give you an occasional clue about where you stand in the estimation of a particular seeker, but I just don't believe they're all that significant. When the Stats first became available, I landed in around the 43rd percentile. At one point I sank down to the 33rd, but lately I have been fairly consistently around the 60th. I haven't gotten any more talented in that short space of time, so I have no idea what it all means. As long as Mr. SmartCast keeps sending me auditions, all the other stuff will take care of itself.

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Diane Havens
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008, 13:31 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ratings dont tell us anything but what ranking the talent received in consideration for a gig, or no consideration. That could be based on anything. In that way, it is working the way 123 intended. If there are many leads that you answer that fit you perfectly well, and you are under consideration often, your stats are higher. It also depends how many others are doing that same thing, since it is a comparative number.
The more versatile/marketable your voice is, the better you can do on these sites. Those specific niche people are the ones who are not best served by them, and might be best marketing themselves elsewhere -- also what 123 intended to happen.

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Scott Pollak
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008, 14:25 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, what the heck, one more since it seems to be the week for impersonations. Paul Harvey.....


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David Bosco
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008, 21:52 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anybody else have a go at this?

Open to male and female talents, the instructions were:

Voice should sound professional and knowledgeable, but also cool and real. Female voices can also be a little bit sexy - as long as it isn't at the expense of being professional and knowledgeable.

Gave me a 1 out of a 2.8 average. Obviously, that's a low average rating for most projects. But, please tell me if I was that far off the mark.

As Quick Draw used to say, "Oooh! That smarts!"



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Deby Cedars
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008, 22:10 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott...I think you got the rest of the story ok.....but you lost me on Har VE I don't remember his voice going up on pitch like that.
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Diane Havens
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008, 23:19 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

David --

Ditto your experience. Something strange about that whole thing, though. Did you see? 102 submissions -- closed within hours with the 2.8 -- and listened to ALL 102? Perhaps rated a handful, and deleted the rest? What gives?

Neither of our reads deserved that demerit, btw. Just thought the whole chain of events was highly suspect.

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Lee Gordon
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008, 01:15 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my 1-star rated demo for this lead. Clearly this seeker understands how the rating system works because there's no doubt that, like Dave and Diane, I obviously suck at this.

At the risk of being unscrupulous I have half a mind to contact the seeker directly and ask them to explain what I would have to improve upon to rate a 2. Actually, I'd rather they discarded my demo than take the time to rate it.

Instead I think I will contact Voice123 Support and take it up with them, although I already know what they're going to tell me: that I can use the seeker's input to help me improve.



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Dave DeAndrea
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008, 01:35 (GMT)    Post subject: Reply with quote

David & Diane-

They actually gave me a 5 earlier today... I just checked again after reading your posts... now it's a 3. Looks like they're using the ratings system in one of the ways it's intended to be used; a means of sorting the voices that fit from the ones that don't. I would guess that as they continue to open auditions they encounter ones they like better than the previous ones and then number and sort accordingly.

Nothing wrong with your read, David... and nothing spectacular about mine.



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