NEW V123 FEATURE "TAG ANOTHER TALENTS DEMO ANONYMOUSLY&

Maxine Dunn · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008, 23:02 (GMT) Post subject:

Hi David!

Hahaha!! Loved the 'during boring parties' comment. That's too funny. I agree about all the "new fangled" ideas. Just clean efficiency is so attractive, without making the paying talent have to constantly check their sites to see what's happening.

Ok, so was does rega mean?

xox

Melba Sibrel · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008, 23:32 (GMT) Post subject:

Geez. Tagging. So "a slew of talent" requested tagging??? How many dozen talent in a slew, any how, eh? And were these folks under the impression this is Amazon? Well. Probably, since this is the place to get "cheap voice overs" (another thread) and super saver shipping.

I got some tags. Guess where they go.

Total
Idiocy
Raw
Deal
Sinking
Ship

Sid Whatley · Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008, 23:42 (GMT) Post subject:

Just another obvious "Nail In The Voice123 Coffin" for me. No renewal in November.

Lee Gordon · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 00:59 (GMT) Post subject:

I posted this in another section but I thought it was worth including in this discussion as well. I wrote to Customer Service and asked if the tags were going to be viewable by the public, if they would have any impact on SmartCast or otherwise influence the leads we receive, and if we would have the opportunity to review and delete them before they got posted. Here's part of the response I received:

The results will be viewable by the person being tagged when this stage is completed, and not available to the general public (Tagging can only be done by premium members).

The results are for informational purposes only right now, and do not influence the way SmartCast assigns leads.

We are only in an experimental phase, so the current tagging that is happening has no effect on SmartCast or anything else.

So, if somebody tags one of our demos, we can fret over it, be flattered by it, ignore it, or do whatever we want about it, but it apparently has no actual impact on anything. It's more silly than heinous.

Chris Mezzolesta · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 00:59 (GMT) Post subject:

After some wondering if I shot myself in the foot by not renewing due to SmartCast, then seeing the flap over the warnings and admonitions, instructions to audition LESS, increased lowball and GRATIS projects, etc. and now this wrinkle, I know I made the right decision. For that $295 I can mail 1000 postcards and have probably a better chance at getting work.

Diane Havens · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 01:09 (GMT) Post subject:

This is but another in a series of Intolerable Acts. Loyalists may stay, but as for me, give me liberty...

"when in the course of humans events, it becomes necessary..."

(As for the CS response to Lee's concern, I see several red flags in that red herring: words like "this stage", " right now" , "experimental phase" and "current tagging".)

Maxine Dunn · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 02:06 (GMT) Post subject:

Wish I had a SLEW of hot boyfriends!
Hahahah!
hüpfend lachen

Ron Reid · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 05:50 (GMT) Post subject:

Oh MY GOD!

Has anyone actually listened to the demos they want us to tag?

I'm not tagging...I'm just listening.

And it is very depressing!

I know this is not a professional thing to do...but...GOD...Listen to this CRAP.

Claire Dodin · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 10:02 (GMT) Post subject:

ouch!

so this tagging thing is going to give us another reason to become paranoid, as if I wasn't already with the ratings and percentiles etc.... scared

by the way, this :

Diane Havens · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 13:05 (GMT) Post subject:

Ron -- how did you find this d-bag's "demo"???!!!

Can't V123 just set up some, let's say, QUALITY CONTROL department ? This is just the kind of total denigration of the profession I want no part of. This is not karaoke night or open mic night at the local comedy club.

Man! Has it come to this? Ah, the wonders of the internet and its reach... how utterly democratic, eh? Sad.

And, yes, Claire -- be afraid. After these mad scientists have had their experiment over with, they will use it for other purposes, as they see fit. Just as they did with the stats.

And it seems any hack with $300 bucks and a dream can become our nightmare here.

John M. Thomas · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 13:34 (GMT) Post subject:

When I first joined this site I was excited by the possibilities.....and posts from the pros like Scott, Collin, J.S. Robert , Diane, Maxine, Lance, Jacob, Betty, Thom and too many others to mention....only to see this so called progression turn into the site's demise. This latest tagging proposal is simply ludicrous. What's even more ludicrous is the hours I have spent searching the talent data base to listen to demos (pros aside) to demos that are terrible or in a vast number of cases aren't even there?

Diane Havens · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 13:44 (GMT) Post subject:

It is unfortunate today that business in general focuses more on the gimmicks of marketing and selling a product than in creating a quality product that could sell itself.

I guess that would be harder, but it would have so much more integrity.

Maxine Dunn · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 14:41 (GMT) Post subject:

And again one last time for good measure in the hopes that Alex will eventually read this:

The fact that that guys demo is posted on Voice123 denigrates the entire industry and especially our efforts as professionals. Not to mention the nod it gives to the degree of quality control on this site. I’m hoping that if perhaps someone at Voice123 is taking the time to check out this thread, they’ll listen to it and see what we mean. It renders utterly absurd any comment they may have ever made about “wanting to do the right thing for the voice-over industry.” It’s a mockery of the industry. I’ve met Alex and he is a thoughtful and smart man and I hope very much he listens to that demo and re-thinks the quality control of his business, (or lack of). I know he would be dismayed to hear that recording, as it ridicules his entire effort here.

And that there are probably so many others like this man’s demo on Voice123, and to contemplate that he is potentially one of the many “anonymous” people who could be adding descriptive words to OUR demos, stamps a large exclamation point on my upset letter to Steven Lowell.

Tagging demos by people who have no business doing so, who have no reason to do so, who are totally unidentified, and who face absolutely no consequences for potentially posting negative descriptions, is a bad idea. We simply do not need to know what other talent, (or others besides voice-seekers), think of our demos, there is already the rating system for that, and we have Critique My Demo here when we desire the opinions of our peers.

I suggested to Steven that he check out this thread to SEE what the paying talent think of this tagging idea.

So far I have not seen an equal number of posts supporting the idea, or even one intelligent post from a professional working talent that indicates why he/she thinks it's an excellent idea. I’m willing to see both sides of a story if someone can present it.

I suppose I’ve repeated myself now about 50 times so I guess I can probably stop voicing my opinions here. I apologize for repeating myself! I think most of us agree that we’ve spent many years establishing our careers and creating our demos and webpages/websites, and to have just anyone who wants to post their opinion without our being able to approve those comments first, is a slap in the face of all our hard work. (And yes, that’s a 51 word sentence. Hahaha!) :~) Even on MySpace we’re at least allowed to have a setting whereby we “approve” comments, before they are posted.

Max

David Oxford · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 15:34 (GMT) Post subject:

David Oxford · Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008, 15:42 (GMT) Post subject:

By the way, since V123 is so 'hip' on marketing their site to the world by making the Savvy forum accessible to everyone, do you think all the very honest commentary that the disgruntled paying members, former paying members and soon-to-be former paying members are helping their cause???

And what about that WRETCHED audition Ron Reid posted in the 'tagging' thread that V123 wants people to tag?!?!?!?!?!? What the hell are they thinking?? Or are they???

They're drinking the bong water...I just know it.

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