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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008, 21:11 (GMT) Post subject:
Connie Terwilliger wrote:
Before you put together a "real" demo, spend a LOT of time listening to other professional commercial demos to get a feel for what makes the good one stand out.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008, 06:36 (GMT) Post subject: Re: Recording a new demo
Lance Blair wrote:
Scott! Don't give Craig advice, the guy is good and he's going to take away slices of our Atlanta market pie.
Plus, he's a really nice guy too! Enough people will help him out without our encouragement.
Best of luck to you Craig, I know you'll do well and PM me about your demos anytime.
I appreciate the compliments and the encouragement, but I believe Connie, Bob, and Scott were all giving advice to my bro Jon from these follow-up posts.
I got my first cut of my demo over the weekend and was impressed at what my producer was able to pull out of my reads. The order/arrangement of the spots still needs some reworking, and the music/FX she added in a few places need to be pulled back further into the background, but overall I'm quite pleased with how it turned out. I plan to send the next cut of my demo to several of you: Connie, Bob, Scott, and Lance... just to get your input before it's finalized.
Bob Bergen wrote:
Well, first of all, what a talented gene pool your family has!!!
Perhaps, but I don't know if it's one anyone else would want to swim in.
My brother Jon has a tremendous gift for mimicry and is a natural with comedy, and has written and performed a lot of comedic sketches for various events where he lives. My whole family sings--my dad, Jon, myself, and our older brother sang as a quartet in church on a few occasions, and we all sang in the choir. Our older brother has a traveling family music ministry, and he does a ventriloquist act as well.
And I believe I'm to blame for passing onto Jon my love of cartoons and my admiration for cartoon voice actors, along with all the vocal tricks I've picked up over the years. I taught him all the best stuff I stole from other professionals. And Jon's by far a better mimic at his age than I was in my 20's, and he has a much lower register and does incredible impressions of great voices like Peter Cullen, The "Don", and James Earl Jones.
Speaking of Pete and Don, check this trailer Jon made for a YouTube series he's planning:
He's already bounced ideas and gags off me for the series (and I gave him some ideas as well) and knowing Jon it should be some funny stuff, particularly amusing if you're familiar with Don and Peter's work.
As for Jon's demos, I've already given him my opinion on them, and I made some similar comments and suggestions as Bob and Connie did here.
I believe Jon's off to a good start, and he's certainly farther along than other many other aspiring voice talents who's demos I reviewed through submissions at dmoz.org.
Jon's very spontaneous and he's got a quick wit and a good sense of humor, and impressions come so naturally and easily to him it irritates me because I have to work so hard at them.
I recommended getting some magazine ad copy and emulating interesting TV/radio voiceovers to give Jon more practice at reading scripts. He does exceptionally well with comedy, but he hasn't had any acting classes otherwise and "the read" is particularly important in voiceovers and the acting is different than doing live comedy performances.
I also shared with him the things I learned in Bob's workshop regarding any read, to help find his own voice doing commercial VO.
I think it's also important to mention that Jon lives in the Memphis area and it's a very limited VO market. With some tweaking and more practice, the quality of his homemade demos is decent enough that it could actually get him some paying work doing celebrity impressions on local radio shows and other radio/TV spots.
I realize that's not the kind of advice most pros would give to a beginner, but just the level of Jon's talent and ability gives him an edge that many other beginners simply don't have, along with an incredible set of vocal chops that will get him noticed in a smaller market like Memphis.
Jon, once you've got some copy for a commercial demo that you're more comfortable with, and you believe you've found your niche--a natural quality that will make your own voice genuine and unique--you should try finding a studio in Memphis to record and an experienced VO demo producer and/or coach to assist. Sure, there will be a good deal of expense involved, but with your talent and ability, I believe you could potentially see a return on your investment just within the first 12-18 months after your demo is done.
I'll help you track down a studio when that time comes. I actually nearly got my demo done back when we were both living in Memphis, and if that studio is still there I'll put you in contact with the guy who was going to produce it for me.
In the meantime, check around and see if there are any local acting classes or workshops and/or improv classes that will allow you to audit a class for free. I never really had any formal (or even casual, for that matter) acting training until 2006, and I know I've benefited a great deal from all the classes and workshops I've taken
Bob Bergen wrote:
As for producing a one person show, dude-that's a novel!!!!!!!!! Once my script was written it was a year's journey of finding theaters, techs, insurance policies, PR, hiring stage managers, designing and printing programs, etc.
Well, thankfully, in my case, all that stuff is done already because I'd be replacing the performer of the current show. And although I haven't booked the gig yet, it's looking extremely promising as my audition was selected and I have an interview in the next week that's a little more serious than just a callback as I believe I'm the *only* performer who was selected for the role. I was told they just want to meet me in person, check my references, and have me see a live performance which will either be Thursday or Friday of this week. I assume the training to take over the role would begin immediately afterwards.
So my chances of getting this gig just went from about 10% possible to like 98%. _________________ Founder/Host: The Voice Actor Appreciation Group
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008, 06:59 (GMT) Post subject:
[quote="Connie Terwilliger"]Your "voice" can be rich with nuances - some subtle, some not so subtle. It can be warm or hard, fast or slow, intimate or distant, young or old, happy or sad, hip or nerdy. Shades of your voice.[quote]
Again, thanks for the advice from both of you. I would never have gotten pro advice on my own, thanks Craig for the link.
Generally, I at least have head knowledge about what you both have said. And apparently, I'm on the right track about how to go about it... that said, there are four clips of "just me" in what I used to call my commercial demo, so (as I've said) I think I had the right idea... just didn't impliment it very well.
Connie, you mention vocal nuances, but that sort of goes back to my question about characters: how do I display those nuances without getting into a character? Where is the distinguishing line between my own voice with a twist of nerd and a nerdy character? Maybe I'm asking the question with the wrong words. It's not difficult to discern why I'm in the NEWBIES section.
I get the warm or hard, fast or slow, intimate or distant part, but after that, it seems as though the rest would either BE character voices or be SEEN that way by a prospective client. And doesn't tempo mean "a certain speed;" so even though I may have been thinking technically, "fast or slow" would still fall into that category, wouldn't it?
I'm a 2nd tenor/barritone, so I try to stay within my range and what I meant by "tricks" was exactly what you were describing about warm or hard, fast or slow, intimate or distant. I wouldn't think being soft-spoken for a commercial about retirement would qualify as a character voice or the same for a faster read for the list of ailments you may receive as the direct result for a prescription commercial. Like I said, right concept/bad implementation. But at least I've got my mind thinking in the right frame. Thank you both so much for all the great advice! And yes, Bob, I've been listening to your, Jim Cummings', Rob Paulsens', Tim Currey's, Pat Fraley's and MANY MANY others' demos for MANY years now. I'm a bigger fan of Peter Cullen and Don Lafontaine, no offense to the Bob"ster"! But your awesome too.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008, 07:18 (GMT) Post subject: Re: Recording a new demo
Craig Crumpton wrote:
Jon, once you've got some copy for a commercial demo that you're more comfortable with, and you believe you've found your niche--a natural quality that will make your own voice genuine and unique--you should try finding a studio in Memphis to record and an experienced VO demo producer and/or coach to assist. Sure, there will be a good deal of expense involved, but with your talent and ability, I believe you could potentially see a return on your investment just within the first 12-18 months after your demo is done.
In the meantime, check around and see if there are any local acting classes or workshops and/or improv classes that will allow you to audit a class for free. I never really had any formal (or even casual, for that matter) acting training until 2006, and I know I've benefited a great deal from all the classes and workshops I've taken
Wow! Thanks for all the compliments, bro! You love me! You REALLY LOVE ME! But seriously, I actually HAVE checked out about classes! So HA! One step ahead of ya! And I know what you all mean about finding good material to read. I usually write out entire commercials for myself for different fake products and fake movie trailers and just record and edit out everything except the best parts. It's also a great way to come up with new characters. It's all just practice right now.
I actually have an agent that wants to meet with me tomorrow solely based on my "bad" demos from my website. Seems a legitimate business with a legit address and the agent's resume which I found on anther site was rather impressive... 20 years of acting experiences, writes, produces independent films for Sundance and other outlets! SO I don't think it's a big thug trying to catch me in an alley.
Also, I got an offer to do a movie trailer for a student film! So, as Bill Murray would say, baby steps...
And Craig, as far as the money it will take to really get into this career, I'll let my friend respond for me... just click on the attachment.
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008, 15:13 (GMT) Post subject:
Hey bud!
Several of the questions you ask, such as ,"you mention vocal nuances, but that sort of goes back to my question about characters: how do I display those nuances without getting into a character? Where is the distinguishing line between my own voice with a twist of nerd and a nerdy character?," show you are coming from a vocal technical standpoint, when you need to approach this from an acting standpoint.
Remember, we are talking about your commercial demo here, not your character demo. The vocal nuances are really attitudes, moods, nuances in your personality....not in character.
My advice to you for right now is get thee to an acting and improv class. You need acting technique. You absolutely have the vocal skills. But you have no idea how to interpret the words and make them come to life. Reading commercial copy well is much more than having a good voice or being able to get through the script without stopping. Those who work consistently have the ability to make the words come to life in a believable, conversational manner.
Most folks pursuing VO don't come from an acting background. Most dive into the VO workshops with no acting technique or skills. This doesn't mean they aren't talented. But they have no idea how to apply their talent.
The difference between a trained actor and a non trained actor is, a trained actor makes choices and a non trained actor makes guesses.
All of this will make sense with technique.
It's oh so clear to me when I have a student who comes into my class as a trained actor. They've never worked with animation copy, but they have a solid technique under their belt so they can take my direction/adjustments and go running with it.
Then there are those who try add nuances or variety to their read without any purpose or intent. It's a technical approach of raising and lowering pitch, changing pace, etc., with no structure. And it doesn't work.
I can't tell you how many people take years of VO workshops, THEN study acting technique, THEN go back to the VO workshops so they can apply what they've learned as an actor to VO.
Sounds like a lot of work and a long process.
It is.
If it were easy, everyone would have killer demos, great agents, and would be working daily.
Just doesn't work that way.
SO-I say study acting. Become a great actor. You will be amazed how your commercial reads, and even your character work, will improve.
And I agree! I always thought that when my voice changed I'd have pipes like Don. (sigh) Damn those genetics!
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008, 15:52 (GMT) Post subject:
Bob Bergen wrote:
And I agree! I always thought that when my voice changed I'd have pipes like Don. (sigh) Damn those genetics!
LOL. Well, my "Don" isn't dead-on, but it's awfully fun putting that character into funny situations. Especially ordering something at the drive-thru.
Actually, what acting I have done has been incredibly fun! Sadly enough, Craig and I were about the only ones in our ENTIRE private school who could pull off pretty much anything... we both placed first in creative writing and I can't remember what the other was called, but basically acting out a one man script, humorous/dramatic interpretation, I believe it was. Craig went on to nationals. I was too young to compete on a nat'l level, but I did win first at the state level. But other than improv/drama classes in high school and Speech I & II in college, I haven't taken any classes in a while, but I still get plenty of practice on my own in childrens' church. I've been checking into local classes for a few weeks.
And yeah, I was talking about the commercial demo... I just don't want to slip into a character... keepin' it real, yo.
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