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Emmett Andrews
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Unless you REALLY know what you're doing with processing, you're better off without it. The purpose of processing is to slightly enhance what's already good...Not to create a new sound. Some people here don't believe in using processing at all! I believe that using none is usually safer than guessing. I like a little bit, but it's something that requires a lot of care. And it's rare that a client would complain about a lack of processing. It does happen, but it isn't common.
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Greg Houser
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 17:45 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Emmett Andrews wrote: |
32 bit can make a difference IF you're processing the file after recording. 32-bit will result in much, much cleaner sounding processing. If you're recording and sending as-is, you'll never hear a difference between 16 and 32-bit. |
until the client has their people do the processing.
Not until compression is added do I usually hear much or a difference between the two.
Which brings me to the next bit. Emmett made some statements regarding processing. I totally agree with them. Until you know what you're doing, don't use it on your demos or work sent to customers. Either let the client do it, or hire someone reputable to help you out.
I've been working with this for long enough that I usually do add processing, but I always send a copy of the original, clean track to the client as well. I let them decide (usually they like what I did with the mixing and mastering, but sometimes not... point is that I have a clean copy of the original in case they don't like what they hear).
Processing is as much of an art as it is a science... and usually you don't need much to pull out something if you have a good talent in front of the mic.
Plosives...? Reduce your input gain, side-address the mic (both have proven to be useful in dealing with plosives), but the most important trick is this... practice and training. We've covered this before, so I won't beat a dead horse. |
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Chris Clementson
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Clinton -
Go to the supermarket and get a ScotchBrite scouring pad or the generic equivalent. They are green, rectangular and porous. Try reading the "propane" spot again holding a ScotchBrite pad between you and the microphone. It may help with the plosives or it may not.
Experiment with mic placement. You hear the same things we do. It may be that you only need a one-sided box, i.e. take the sides off and have just one surface in front of you to control reflection.
There are others who are MUCH better qualified to guide you on the rest, but you still have to settle the issue of "drawl or no drawl". There is still a great deal of Tennessee in your voice to my American ears. Right now I hear you as a character voice. Again, others can guide you much better on this. |
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ricevoice
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Another option for dealing with the plosives is a different pop filter. I just went back and looked at your recent studio pics and noticed your pop filter appears to be a cloth one. I don't think I've ever worked with one of those, but maybe switching to a metal screen (I like my Stedman) would make a difference.
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Clinton Nobles
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 19:17 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Emmett ---
Yes, I can really see the logic and sense in this. I will start leaving all of my files raw.
Greg ---
I am definitely going to start working on mic positioning. Here lately I have been doing the talk with a pencil in your mouth trick throughout the day. I am sure to my fellow workers I look quite the site, but let them revel in their mediocrity. ahaha
Chris ---
Believe it or not the Propane was my effort at No-Drawl haha It will take a while before I harness that dawg. lol.
I am looking into personal voice coach . . . yet another item to add to my "When I get the money" list.
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Chris Clementson
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 19:28 (GMT) Post subject: |
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ScotchBrite is cheap, Steadmans are expensive. 
I think Markertek will sell you a 12" x 12" square of acoustical foam (as used in windscreens). He could get a sheet and experiment with it as well as the ScotchBrite.
www.markertek.com
I like the idea of working 90 degrees to the mic. |
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Clinton Nobles
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 19:47 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| ricevoice wrote: | | Another option for dealing with the plosives is a different pop filter. I just went back and looked at your recent studio pics and noticed your pop filter appears to be a cloth one. I don't think I've ever worked with one of those, but maybe switching to a metal screen (I like my Stedman) would make a difference. |
The fellow at Guitar center mentioned the Metal filters. I think I shall get one and along with all the other tips and techniques I've been taught here it should really help out.
As Greg said, noting is going to be a quick fix. It is going to take practice, practice, and then when I finally have it down pat . . . Practice a whole lot more.
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Clinton Nobles
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 19:53 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Chris Clementson wrote: | ScotchBrite is cheap, Steadmans are expensive.
I think Markertek will sell you a 12" x 12" square of acoustical foam (as used in windscreens). He could get a sheet and experiment with it as well as the ScotchBrite.
www.markertek.com
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Agreed! lol Scotchbright is my friend
As for the foam I have a Foam manufacturing company right down the road from my house and I was wondering. Couldn't I buy foam from them? I took a piece to them the otherday and they said they could match it and it seems that it would be a lot cheaper and I could get it in exact lengths. Is there a reason this wouldnt work?
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Chris Clementson
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 20:07 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Tell the foam company you want open cell foam.
One trick windscreen manufacturers use is having two layers of foam of different thicknesses. You could try 1/16" and 1/8", whatever, just leave an air gap between the two layers and make sure they dont touch. The pop filter should never touch the mic, either. Then you could make a frame out of bass wood. Too much foam might make you sound muddy again so be careful.
The Steadman probably brings in a hefty profit margin for GC and the manufacturer considering that it is simply expanded metal lath that you could get from McMaster-Carr for about $5. I have a Steadman here but have not reverse-engineered the metal lath as yet.
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Greg Houser
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 20:10 (GMT) Post subject: |
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Use a pop filter that you've comfortable with. Some folks swear by the metal one, some don't. The Popper Stopper is a popular model.
As far a mic placement... it's an art as much as a science. 90 degrees is a bit much, but being off center (as opposed to off-mic) can help to reduce the issues you're having.
Again, it's a fix, a cheat, etc. You ought to be able to do this without resorting to such things... which leads me to beat the dead horse again.
That said, it can be used for acoustical effect, which in some cases is desirable for the read.
Foam. Unless they make acoustically rated foam (and get the specs... people will tell you anything), then it's not worth using. There are several online vendors which sell and distribute acoustical foam in standard wedges, but will also custom cut to your specifications. |
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Chris Clementson
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Clinton Nobles
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008, 21:24 (GMT) Post subject: |
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***passes the collection plate***
haha
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Clinton Nobles
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I am trying to get the propane rerecorded, but this past weekend was really busy for me with me going out of town (please see http://voiceoversavvy.com/ftopic5727.html for pictures ) And I am trying to build a better box for my recording. So it will be a day or two more, but I should have it done soon.
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Clinton Nobles
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Finally! I gt some time to record my spots again. I redid two of them and added one for my Movie Trailer voice. I am using a new position for the mic and have been working on my 'plosives. What do you think?
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Greg Houser
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008, 05:47 (GMT) Post subject: |
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I'll listen to this in the studio once I can (on train at the moment). That said, and I can't say this without being somewhat harsh, so forgive me for saying it... boring.
But we'll save the acting critique for another thread. |
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