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Erik Sheppard
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Chris Clementson
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Next thing you know, guys will be posting pictures of their manhoods here.
| Quote: | | nobody notices your microphone...they notice the weaknesses in your delivery |
I agree with this.
Clinton -
Judge for yourself. Trust your ears:
http://www.miclisteningroom.org/mic_table.html
| Quote: | | I might need to find better things to do with my "Thousands" hahaha |
Well, to be honest, we have discussed that regional brogue of yours ...
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Erik Sheppard
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| Chris Clementson wrote: | | Next thing you know, guys will be posting pictures of their manhoods here. |
Greg can have the better rack gear, I have the winning equipment.
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Greg Houser
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Gentlemen, I shall recall your words as I deposit the quintet of checks in my hand for use of said equipment and voice.
(I'll be fair and admit that they've accumulated over the week... and also that VO is feast or famine in many cases).
in other words, I get paid for my equipment... by coincidence I get paid for the stuff I do in the studio as well. 
Chris is correct however, and I have stated it several times before... I've recorded strong talent that sounded great on average (or less than average) gear. And I've recorded talent that sucked on good gear, which only reinforced their lack of ability/skill.
It isn't about the gear. Good gear can only bring out what's already there, but if you've got major issues with your delivery all you're going to do is to bring out those flaws even more so since the higher end stuff is more sensitive.
For that reason, I don't often recommend a U87 unless it's for the right individual in the right circumstances. Your time and money are usually better spent elsewhere.
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Clinton Nobles
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 05:12 (GMT) Post subject: |
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This has been really fun reading all the banter. Trust me though I have no intentions in shelling out that kind of money until I am able to make full use of such a purchase.
As for the brogue, I am working on it. Got my first coaching session coming up. The fantabulus Phyllis Day has chosen to tackle this formidable foe. lol
All the pictures are great! I am drooling! lol  
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Greg Houser
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 05:23 (GMT) Post subject: |
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glad we could amuse.
As a great man once told me, it's not just about the voice. The industry has all the voices that they need. What they don't have is you, and what you bring to the copy.
Remember that and you'll be right as rain 
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Emmett Andrews
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 17:26 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Greg Houser wrote: | glad we could amuse.
As a great man once told me, it's not just about the voice. The industry has all the voices that they need. What they don't have is you, and what you bring to the copy.
Remember that and you'll be right as rain |
That's a good line!
My theory on the U87 is that it's a top choice for studio owners who will have all types of different voices in and out. It may not always be the best choice, but it's never the wrong choice.
On the other hand, if yours is the only voice going into the mic, you can find one better tailored to your sound, usually for less than the price of a U87. There are loads of really good mics in the $300-1,000 range. Few are as versatile as the U87, but that doesn't make them poor choices. It's always good to test out as many mics as possible without looking at price. You may find that you sound best on a $500 mic, not a $3000 mic.
On another note, I have a friend who works with music recording and production. He recently told me that everywhere he had previously used a U87, he now uses an Audio-Technica AT4047. He says it's every bit as versatile as the U87 and on most things, he prefers the sound. It's also under $600. He still keeps a couple of U87s around (he still prefers it on strings), but at this point, they're mostly collecting dust.
Emmett
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Greg Houser
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 17:43 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Emmett Andrews wrote: |
On the other hand, if yours is the only voice going into the mic, you can find one better tailored to your sound, usually for less than the price of a U87. There are loads of really good mics in the $300-1,000 range. Few are as versatile as the U87, but that doesn't make them poor choices. It's always good to test out as many mics as possible without looking at price. You may find that you sound best on a $500 mic, not a $3000 mic.
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this is a good comment and goes with what's been said by myself and others.
So why do I have a U87 (several actually)? After 2 days and close to 16 hours of shootouts, it was the LDC that worked best with my voice. To my ears, it beat everything else hands down. Second choice... an ElectroVoice RE27, and coming in third... the R0de NT-1A. For the curious my shootout consisten of Sennheiser, EV, Neumann, Gefell, Lawson, Manley, Studio Projects, Blue, R0de, RCA, Telefunken, Soundeluxe, and Audio Technica mics.
To me, it was worth the $. That it paid for itself in less than 6 weeks only confirmed it.
/if it makes any feel better, it took me 12+ hours in a single day to pick out my last tube mic.
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Let me be clear on this one thing, there is no "best mic". There's what works "best for you". I've lost count of the people who blame their lousy performance on their gear. That's a cop-out, and should be treated as such. It's never about what brushes you use, it's the skill of the artist that counts.
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Emmett Andrews
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 18:06 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Greg Houser wrote: |
To my ears, it beat everything else hands down. Second choice... an ElectroVoice RE27, and coming in third... the R0de NT-1A.
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To futher illustrate your point, I sound terrible on the RE27 and NT1-A. And just "okay" on the U87. My voice shines much more on a TLM-103, Sennheiser 416 and most of the Audio-Technica 40 Series mics. R0DE, AKG, MXL and Lawson mics all sound pretty bad on me. It seems that I always come back to my AT4040, inexpensive as it may be.
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 18:35 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Emmett Andrews wrote: | It seems that I always come back to my AT4040, inexpensive as it may be.
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Always nice for the bank account when inexpensive = best for you... leaves more dinero for other toys!
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Ed Gambill
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Microphones are like opinions, every one has one. I'm partial to Peluso. The 22-251 is right capable as microphones go. NPR story about Pelsou Mic Labs here. http://www.npr.org/templates/player/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=89705610&m=89797016
All three are factory matched.
The Lion and Albert recorded, I think, with the Red One.
BTW (no shameful plug here just a fact) I am a factory approved dealer for Peluso and now just added Source-Connect.
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Greg Houser
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| Ed Gambill wrote: |
BTW (no shameful plug here just a fact) I am a factory approved dealer for Peluso and now just added Source-Connect. |
I just stayed at a Holiday Inn express... top that!
/factory approved dealer of snark
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Ed Gambill
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No you are definitly the Yoda here. Now that snark thing... no deep dicsount for you. Well maybe.
Obi-Wan Kenobi
PS I read the back story on Jedi and it very similar to Knights Templar. Interesting.
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Greg Houser
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Lucas did admit to using several sources for the concept of the Jedi, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaking of which, didn't he imagine the hilt of the lightsabers based on some studio gear (flashlight, microphone, etc.)?
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David Oxford
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008, 21:31 (GMT) Post subject: |
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| Jacob Ekstroem wrote: | *SNORT*.... That's not a mike!
Now, THAT'S a mike!
(Brauner VM1 KHE. I'm getting one. Every night.) |
Just be sure you're wearing protection!!!
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